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Xeones The Great · Mar 13, 2007, 08:51 PM // 20:51

[skill]Orison of Healing[/skill]

Many people hate this skill with all their guts. The one and only reason I am defending it is to ask this question: Is there any Healing Prayers skill that heals for a moderate amount of health, has a very low recharge, and has full range? I don't know why people hate it so much. Healing Whisper has half range, making it very restricting. The only reason to bring Orison of Healing is to have a heal that you can count on that does not have to recharge for 5+ seconds. With Healer's Boon, it becomes legendary. Yet, even without Healer's Boon, it should be on many more Healing Prayers Monks' skill bars. To tell you the truth, in the beginning, I never carried Orison of Healing with me because everyone had stated that it sucks to the maximum of suckiness. But, I have changed my mind because of the reasons above. If anyone can tell me a 5-energy, low-recharging, fast-casting, full-range heal, I'll shut the hell up. For now, though, I am not convinced that it sucks.

~Xeones

Stormlord Alex · Mar 13, 2007, 09:01 PM // 21:01

It's not all too bad... It could be Heal Breeze, after all

I still prefer RoF.

Xeones The Great · Mar 13, 2007, 09:04 PM // 21:04

u do notice i am talking about healing prayers, eh?

Stormlord Alex · Mar 13, 2007, 09:08 PM // 21:08

Yes. I was comparing... You can do a lot better with your 5 energy than Orison.

crosshatch123 · Mar 13, 2007, 09:18 PM // 21:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeones The Great

[skill]Orison of Healing[/skill]

If anyone can tell me a 5-energy, low-recharging, fast-casting, full-range heal, I'll shut the hell up. For now, though, I am not convinced that it sucks.

~Xeones

[skill]healing light[/skill] [skill]Words Of Comfort[/skill] [skill]Dwayna's Kiss[/skill] [skill]Ethereal light[/skill] [skill]Gift of health[/skill]

And thats just heal skills. But I do agree that theres no reason to hate orison. Though I also prefere RoF over Orison, as I always prot....

Dr Strangelove · Mar 13, 2007, 09:19 PM // 21:19

The only reason I could see saying orison sucks is that heal specced monks suck in general. Monks really shine in the prot line, while they are simply outclassed by rits for sustainable, large heals.

crosshatch123 · Mar 13, 2007, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

The only reason I could see saying orison sucks is that heal specced monks suck in general. Monks really shine in the prot line, while they are simply outclassed by rits for sustainable, large heals.

'gree

grtz. Cross

DeBron · Mar 13, 2007, 09:39 PM // 21:39

As a ritualist, I also agree with Dr Strangelove.

Reve2uk · Mar 13, 2007, 09:44 PM // 21:44

dwayna's kiss + Word of healing for healing ohers then healing touch for self heal is what i mustly use.

tbh dwayna's kiss is one of my fav monk skills since in most areas u are gonig to be hexed or enchanted, and if u are gonig with ele's or bonders it will out heal any other spell u have, and i normel also spam Vigorous Spirit + HB so i can get an extra +74hp from dwayna's and if u ahve a prot monk in ur team then its healing gose up laods

as for Orison, i don't use it cos it dosen't heal for that much and has no extras unlike dwayna's :P

FoxBat · Mar 13, 2007, 09:49 PM // 21:49

Well, it can be OK on a cramped healer's boon flagger bar, where the recharge and versatility count... generally I like words of comfort better tough.

Kuldebar Valiturus · Mar 13, 2007, 09:55 PM // 21:55

Is it me, or do people tend to split hairs a lot in this game?

I'm curious if such exactitude brings any benefit to most situations, or is this conversation just in a PvP or very high-end PvE context?

My Monk Healer Hero has Orison of Healing on his skill bar, is this such an awful thing?

Xeones The Great · Mar 13, 2007, 10:04 PM // 22:04

this is for general PvE. again, 4+5 seconds is not like 2 second recharge. im not gonna heal and wait for 5 seconds to heal again. words of comfort in conditional and so is dwaynas kiss. ethereal light, 5 seconds. see wat i mean? and, also, healers dont suck. maybe prot is better, but a 8-ppl party needs some sort of healing. but lets not get too off-topic.

Stormlord Alex · Mar 13, 2007, 10:05 PM // 22:05

Kuldebar, it's not much of an issue for general PvE, just about anything works there; but I hope that when skills are discussed as thus, we're all trying to find the best overall skills, the most efficient or whatever it is we're after...
As it is Orison simply lacks... Words/Kiss are conditionally better, conditions, indeed, which are relatively easy to meet, RoF (and prot in genera...) are more energy efficient, Ethereal Light usurps Orison for general use with a bit of experience, etc. Orison is a benchmark heal - if you've got skills that would fit better, why waste a slot on Orison?

btw... Orison's ok on heroes... there's a LOT worse skills they could use.

Xeones The Great · Mar 13, 2007, 10:07 PM // 22:07

its for general pve. all those skills listed are conditional, and the ones that arent have 4-5 second recharge, which is too much time to remain inert. heal monks dont suck, its just that prot may be better. but, still, groups need some form of healing. and monks are the first thing they look to.

again, im referring to the people who say orison sucks no matter what and that article written by, i think, Ensign, explaining why it sucks.

edit: i always bring condition removal, so WoC is next to useless. Kiss is good, always have it on my bar. just that orison is spammable. if orison had even a 3 second recharge, it should be deleted. i really think they should make the heal go to 30-75-90, then it would be amazing, but still for now, its good.

ss1986v2 · Mar 13, 2007, 10:18 PM // 22:18

the issue here is that you shouldnt be spamming orison on recharge, which is what you seem to want to do. if you have to spam orison every 2 seconds on an ally to keep them alive, your energy would be better used either waiting and dropping a more powerful heal, or using some kind of protection on them. and who says you can only have one low cost, fast recharge heal on your bar? put two or three and use the others while one is recharging.

also, dont discount the conditional heals just because they are conditional. dwaynas only heals for 9 less hp at 12 healing. just 9hp! you are discounting it because it heals for 9 less hp, but ignore that fact that it can heal for so much more without much difficulty. the same with words of comfort. just 9 hp less, with the potential to heal for almost twice as much.

Xeones The Great · Mar 13, 2007, 10:25 PM // 22:25

sooo, say ur usin HB. and u have ethereal and kiss. 2 peeps get hit. u use ethereal on one. either u wait for recharge, or u waste kiss on an unhexed foe. ur saying thats OK?

eggs0wn · Mar 13, 2007, 10:25 PM // 22:25

I love Orison. It is almost always on my Bar. Usally something Like:

LoD/HB/WoH
Orison
DK
EL
Sig of Rejuv
Inspired Hex
Dismiss Condition
Res

And sometimes if I have HB I bring Heal Party+GoLE because it pwns.

Cheers!

ss1986v2 · Mar 13, 2007, 10:34 PM // 22:34

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Originally Posted by Xeones The Great

sooo, say ur usin HB. and u have ethereal and kiss. 2 peeps get hit. u use ethereal on one. either u wait for recharge, or u waste kiss on an unhexed foe. ur saying thats OK?

well, when you consider that kiss will only heal for 9hp less than orison would, yeah. if that extra couple of hp would have made the difference between life and death, you shouldnt have cast orisons or kiss on them. you should have dropped other.

the trade off is 9 hp vs a potential massive heal. ill take the potential heal over 9 hp.

crosshatch123 · Mar 13, 2007, 10:37 PM // 22:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeones The Great

sooo, say ur usin HB. and u have ethereal and kiss. 2 peeps get hit. u use ethereal on one. either u wait for recharge, or u waste kiss on an unhexed foe. ur saying thats OK?

What ss1986 means is that it Dwayna´s only heals for 9 hp less, even its conditional, it doesnt mean you should only use it if your ally is enchanted or hexed. Hell no, off course its not a waste. You heal for almost the same amount as orison, and even more if target ally is hexed or enchanted. So... Dwayna´s > Orison.

pingu666 · Mar 13, 2007, 10:40 PM // 22:40

orisons strength is its simpleness, works on everyone, and isnt conditional or have a downside, so it heals for abit less...